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The low credibility of the so-called prophets within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)

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Around the 2024 election in the USA the British so-called prophet gave a supposed prophetic word about the impact of the renewed presidency of Donald Trump. She said that he was not a blessing, but an instrument of judgment. She also said that large parts of the Church had elevated him into a messianic figure and failed to be appropriately concerned about his many moral defects. This caused the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE) to take the previously unheard-of step of publicly criticizing her prophecy. In the 25 years since ACPE was formed that has never happened before. They really thought that it was urgently needed!

Several members of ACPE followed this statement with video recordings, basically repeating what was written.

ACPE describes themselves as the primary group to provide oversight and promote soundness in the prophetic. I have read hundreds of so-called prophetic messages from within the NAR, where ACPE plays a key role. Most of them have been exceptionally bad and in need of correction, something that ACPE has failed to provide. Which is not surprising, since many of these words have come from its members.

Right now their reaction cannot possibly be explained as a concern for the health of the prophetic ministry, but as a way of asserting dominance and power over a dissenting voice. I will provide an evaluation of a so-called prophetic word that caught my eye a while ago, when I was doing research for a forthcoming book. It will show how bad a prophetic word can be, without any intervention by the ACPE.

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God will judge the prophets who say Donald Trump is a kind of Messiah

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I (Lars Gunther, a Swedish pastor) rarely write in English on this web site. However, I believe I have a message of prophetic value and need to have it recorded before the US presidential election this year (2024.

A quick background. I have researched the apostolic-prophetic movement for hundreds of hours. I am a Bible believing charismatic Christian myself, but it does not follow automatically that I should believe every word that is supposedly from God. In addition, I am writing columns for the main Christian Swedish newspaper, Dagen (The Day). And my last one was a word of hopefully sobering warning. The subject is these American so-called prophets. They have a following on our side of the Atlantic as well. Here is my column:

A warning has increasingly echoed within me this year: “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7b, NASB2020). This warning has grown stronger over the past year, particularly after hearing those who prophesied in support of Donald Trump. In 2016, I read for the first time a supposed prophecy claimed that Trump’s victory would spark a major revival. It would be one thing to suggest a political improvement, but a revival! How did they come to that conclusion?

These so-called prophets declare it a Christian duty to stand behind the prophets as if they were right, despite being wrong. They predicted Trump would win the 2020 election, that Biden would never become president, and, later, that he would soon be removed. It was proclaimed with certainty as the truth. According to the prophets, Trump was “unstoppable,” and neither spiritual resistance nor voter fraud would prevent him. Many of these so-called prophets elevated their desires to the status of the Lord’s word.

Among these prophetic figures, it has become a dogma that God chose Trump as the vehicle for every conceivable blessing. Voting against Trump was said to be opposition to God. Johnny Enlow, a Pentecostal pastor in California, called the acknowledgment of Biden’s presidency a “serious transgression,” foretelling that Christian leaders would lose their spiritual authority, and their names would be erased—a disturbing form of spiritual abuse.

The problem isn’t that this comes from the right. A similar exaltation of political leaders from the left or center would be equally serious. The gravity lies in proclaiming that God’s kingdom stands or falls with a single person. Messages are being presented that everything is at stake in the election, and Trump is de facto elevated to a messianic figure.

I have previously written about how God allows false prophets to emerge, leading their followers astray to test us. But God does not let them remain unpunished forever.

“Behold, I am against those who have prophesied false dreams,” declares the LORD, “and reported them and led My people astray by their lies and reckless boasting; yet I did not send them nor command them, nor do they provide this people the slightest benefit,” declares the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:32), NASB2020

A loss for Trump in the election could be an eye-opener for some of them. However, if Trump wins, they will likely become even more entrenched in their delusion. The punishment may be delayed—but risks becoming more severe. And how will they be judged? By their own words (Matthew 12:37). And “in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.” (Matthew 7:2).

Video: Prövning av profetiorna om Donald Trump, del 2 och 3

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Del 2: Ånger som en väg framåt

Hur kan vi tänka när vi har facit hur det gick i valet och somliga som påstått sig ha profetiska budskap bett om förlåtelse. Förlåtelse ska inte användas för att slippa ta ansvar för den skada man åstadkommit. Vikten av att tillrättavisa med respekt och ödmjukhet. Och ytterligare några ord om falska profeter.

Del 3: Kristna som stödjer Trump

Alla kristna som stödjer Trump tror inte på de påstådda profetiorna och alla som trott sig ha profeterat är inte lika envisa. Jag ser på fyra olika slags understödjare: (1) Håll för näsan och tacka för utnämningarna, (2) Fundamentalister med entusiasm, (3) Pingstkarismatiker med entusiaster och (4) Kulturkristna med entusiasm. Och så ställer jag den stora frågan om vad det gör med Guds församling när den ställer sig bakom en politisk kandidat som Trump.

Video: Prövning av profetiorna om Donald Trump, del 1, introduktion

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Jag har för avsikt att göra en serie filmer där jag går igenom de påstådda profetiska budskap som uttalats om Donald Trump. Målsättningen är att på djupet förstå hur de kommit till och vad vi kan lära oss om profetians gåva, urskiljning, församlingens relation till politiken och en del annat. I denna film introducerar jag ämnet och beskriver mina målsättningar och grundteser.

Länkar som jag nämner i filmen:

Föredrag om den amerikanska väckelserörelsen

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Jag var inbjuden till THS för att föreläsa under rubriken den amerikanska väckelserörelsens teologiska etik. Men för att kunna tala om den behöver man först definiera vad som är den amerikanska väckelserörelsen. Inte minst i dessa dagar då begreppet evangelical har fått så utpräglade politiska associationer.

Jag försökte beskriva hur teologin och etiken var intimt förknippade med varandra och hur den rört sig fram och tillbaka mellan två poler, den bevarande och den innovativa. Jag använde Aimee Semple-McPherson som ett exempel på den innovativa kraften.

Det är svårt att göra ett så stort material rättvisa. Det är också svårt att förstå allt bara utifrån mina slides, men här kommer de i alla fall. Ladda gärna ner PowerPointen som helhet för att läsa mina manusanteckningar. Ställ frågor i kommentarsfältet.